Bond 25 (2019)

Daniel Craig cannot find anything better than Bond at local Jobcentre Plus (clicky)... Pretty much.

Daniel Craig is coming as 007 in Bond 25. I glad about that. This will be last time as James Bond for sure.

^If only he looked like that in the films. Not even in CR when youth was on his side.

Ed Skrein Exits 'Hellboy' Reboot After Whitewashing Outcry


http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/ed-skrein-exits-hellboy-reboot-whitewashing-outcry-1033431


I don't have a dog in the fight, so his exit doesn't really bother me at all. I never saw any of the previous Hellboy movies and wasn't going to see this one either. What I think is fair to ask, though, is: if white actors are being forced out of roles because the roles were previously of a different ethnicity/skin-color in the source material, then can we now stop talking about (and forever rule out) Idris Elba as Bond?

I'm a big supporter of the idea of respecting source material as much as possible so I won't argue against Skrein leaving. But why does the respect not go both ways? Why am I expected to surrender who and what Bond is to the current winds of political correctness, but everything that Bond has ever represented and stood for is now fair game for being torn down and replaced with "progressive" ideas and tenets?

The hypocrisy of people (particularly those in media positions) pushing for and advancing the idea that the next James Bond must be black...or a woman....or that the next film must have a Bond Guy is appalling and completely transparent, because it's these same modern-day "social justice warriors" (disguising themselves as journalists or activists) who are the first to complain and make allegations of "whitewashing" and "white-splaining" and decrying the "white-savior" mentality of Hollywood and America in general. They're making demands that they themselves would never make upon themselves.

The political agenda of a lot of contemporary media outlets is usually pretty superficial and caters toward the current trend. All in the name of getting hits and clicks. Best not to give into their clickbait. 

But you're 100% right in that there is a hypocrisy in their fight for equality. I'm discovering that leftist politics is simply a foundation for apologists to buy into in order to blame others for their own shortcomings and make things accessible to all. I wouldn't disagree if someone suggested we're on the verge of entering a socialist world.

But wrong thread for that topic.

FieldsMan wrote:

The political agenda of a lot of contemporary media outlets is usually pretty superficial and caters toward the current trend. All in the name of getting hits and clicks. Best not to give into their clickbait. 

But you're 100% right in that there is a hypocrisy in their fight for equality. I'm discovering that leftist politics is simply a foundation for apologists to buy into in order to blame others for their own shortcomings and make things accessible to all. I wouldn't disagree if someone suggested we're on the verge of entering a socialist world.

But wrong thread for that topic.

I gave up on The Wrap over the weekend and I'm extremely close to giving up on Deadline.com as well. TheWrap.com did an article about how "experts" were worrying that The Bodyguard's Hitman may be playing into 'tired racial tropes' They used one "expert"....ONE....for the entire article, and I think she was some sort of liberal history professor with a degree in Black Studies from the University of Blaupunkt. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, is talking about The Bodyguard's Hitman, much less whether the movie is racist or not.

And I'm just about over Deadline.com. I remember when Nikki Finke used to run the site, and it had edge and bite back then. Now it's just industry fodder..shilling for the studios (their whinging on and on about Rotten Tomatoes makes me think someone is on the take over there, but I digress.). And that's when they even bother to print anything about the entertainment industry. These days 9 stories out 10 at that site are all about Donald Trump.

These leftist policies are what we're going to be facing with BOND 26. And I shudder to imagine what the cultural landscape will look like in 4 years when whomever owns Bond tries to start casting and writing for Bond 26.

FieldsMan wrote:

I'm discovering that leftist politics is simply a foundation for apologists to buy into in order to blame others for their own shortcomings and make things accessible to all.

I'm gonna miss you when Kommissar Shorten sends you to the reeducation camp. I, for one, plan on getting in the Party's good books by decapitating some Captain Cook statues.

I just found out Chris Hemsworth isn't from Asgard...... he's not even Scandinavian...... my gob has never been so smacked!

CJB wrote:

FieldsMan wrote:

I'm discovering that leftist politics is simply a foundation for apologists to buy into in order to blame others for their own shortcomings and make things accessible to all.

I'm gonna miss you when Kommissar Shorten sends you to the reeducation camp. I, for one, plan on getting in the Party's good books by decapitating some Captain Cook statues.

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/movies/upcoming-movies/part-of-the-upcoming-james-bond-plot-has-leaked-revealing-the-spy-might-finally-find-happiness/news-story/9cf1231f52bf92f61044fae2be657b62

Apparently there's been a "plot leak" that suggests Bond 25 will commence with Bond retired from the Service and married to Madeline Goose.

That's a pretty overused plot. A bit of a disappointment if they cannot find anything more original for Daniel Craig's final Bond movie.

bitchcraft wrote:

Bond 25 is up against Wonder Woman 2 in 2019 (opens Dec 2019)....she WILL steal his thunder. Sorry 007.

"Wonder Woman" was a fun, albeit flawed film (the third act especially has many issues). But I have little trust in the team getting it right a second time.
More likely than not, it'll be a disappointing sequel, a bit like how the quirky and fun "Guardians of the Galaxy" was followed by an inferior second installment that tried to recreate what worked in the first movie but failed to do so (probably by settling on the 'more of the same but bigger' fallacy most of these second installments fall victim to).

CJB wrote:

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/movies/upcoming-movies/part-of-the-upcoming-james-bond-plot-has-leaked-revealing-the-spy-might-finally-find-happiness/news-story/9cf1231f52bf92f61044fae2be657b62

Apparently there's been a "plot leak" that suggests Bond 25 will commence with Bond retired from the Service and married to Madeline Goose.

Therefore, Craig will have one good film (SF) and four bad ones. Onto the Bond 26 thread for me, then. 

If it's true of course. Which, going by the last four films, is highly likely. If Lazenby was still around, his rant would undoubtedly be much more entertaining.

EDIT: Will Seydoux return for just the PTS?

CJB wrote:

BOND 25: LIVE AND LET PUSSY DIE

This time it's personal. Again. And Again. And again.

The Wife is Not Enough
Wives Always Die
Quantum of Wives
Dr. No Wives!

This is a bad idea just beyond the fact that the revenge scenario has been so overused.

What about the main Bond girl? The screenwriters are then left with the choice to either not have a proper Bond girl or to have a supposedly newly bereaved Bond turn on the charm during a revenge mission? Or I guess there is a third option, possibly even worse: some sort of muddled "Quantum of Solace" like mess.

CJB wrote:

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/movies/upcoming-movies/part-of-the-upcoming-james-bond-plot-has-leaked-revealing-the-spy-might-finally-find-happiness/news-story/9cf1231f52bf92f61044fae2be657b62

Apparently there's been a "plot leak" that suggests Bond 25 will commence with Bond retired from the Service and married to Madeline Goose.

Not at all surprising. It's been discussed here before how SPECTRE was a light-remake of OHMSS. So it appears BOND 25 will be an attempt at re-adapting YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE.

I predict China will stand in for Japan. Fan Bing Bing will play this version's "Kissy". Movie is titled SHATTERHAND.

If they follow the basic premise of YOLT (the book), then I guess I can live with this.

Craig's Bond, I would prefer after killing Blofeld, be presumed dead. He'd be "retired" on a remote Chinese island with Kissy and raising their son together.

I wouldn't want Fleming's brilliant novel - YOLT - abused adapted with Craig still in the role, and wasted. Not to mention Bond went from the rookie CR/QOS mission to over the hill SF/SP missions, with supposedly nothing in between, manages to fall in love twice, and both are killed (not to mention all the others, except Lucia, who probably was assassinated anyway)?

Absolute joke.

Salomé wrote:

This is a bad idea just beyond the fact that the revenge scenario has been so overused.

What about the main Bond girl? The screenwriters are then left with the choice to either not have a proper Bond girl or to have a supposedly newly bereaved Bond turn on the charm during a revenge mission? Or I guess there is a third option, possibly even worse: some sort of muddled "Quantum of Solace" like mess.

I guess if they go for the YOLT adaptation, the Kissy character will only appear in the last act/second half, and the role would be about as big as Severine in SF. But you're right - not only is it bad an overused, this is in the space of five movies. CR/SP both spawning revenge missions in QOS and Bond25?


Part of me hopes Bond25 will be terrible as it might force Craig out of the role before shooting (since he wants to end on a high), or if he stays, it will tarnish his overrated era. All I ask if that Fleming's YOLT isn't caught up in this shambles.

FieldsMan wrote:

Part of me hopes Bond25 will be terrible as it might force Craig out of the role before shooting (since he wants to end on a high)

He'd have to time travel back to 2012.

As others have alluded to, a Bond-goes-rogue revenge mission has been so overused in the last decade that it may as well be part of The Formula™. While I've always liked the idea of a faithfully adapted YOLT, I have little confidence that the present band of mercenaries would get it right, not to mention the fact that the character of Blofeld has now been sullied for posterity.

Could this stall Bond 25?

Apple and Amazon amongst potential distributors for Bond 25.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/apple-amazon-join-race-james-bond-film-rights-1035539 

Here's hoping we enter a LTK-GE gap.

Hoping those particular distributors being interested doesn't mean some sort of online-only pay-per-view bullshit for the next film.

Also hoping the 'expanded universe' chatter is just that ... chatter. Bond doesn't bloody well need it.

Makes me wonder how it would look ... some of the visuals in the Blade Runner 2049 trailer are stunning.

Sicario was an excellent film but the look of that isn't evocative of the James Bond style. Arrival and Prisoners are both gloomy so this choice of director doesn't particularly excite me for Bond.

Shows what I know, the only Villeneuve's I recall well were F1 drivers.