British Politics thread

I have always been a conservative, son where does that leave me?

Erica Ambler wrote:

So where does that leave this old quote?

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If a man is not a socialist by the time he is 20, he has no heart. If he is not a conservative by the time he is 40, he has no brain.

I'm unsure of the exact provenance of that - most often attributed to Churchill, but was it Lloyd George?

Sounds more like Churchill. But then, saying that, probably DLG.

My experience has been that young people who don't go to university tend to actually be fairly socially conservative on matters like immigration, with their social liberalism only extending to things like gay marriage and maybe pot. They tend to be averse to the nanny state and sin taxes. Those that do or have gone to uni are, of course, raging pinkos on social and economic issues.

For example, I believe polling indicates that support for the monarchy in Australia is stronger amongst Gen Ys than Gen Xs. Goes to show that the "progressive" causes taken up by one generation won't necessarily be relevant to the next.

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Hitting the Krauts where it hurts!

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If the UK exits the EU on January 1, 2018, the GDP in 2030 would be 2.2 percent lower than if it remained in the EU (in its least favorable scenario). In the most favorable case, a higher GDP of around 1.6 percent is possible.

Interesting. So financially it would be something of a gamble either way?

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So what just happened to Greece more or less proved the point of every single Euro-skeptic Brit (and by extension, Euro-skeptic European). The democratic process of individual member states means little to these people. Any country in the position to renegotiate its terms with the EU should do so, imho. And sooner rather than later. Unfortunately, we are not one of those countries.

If I should make a guess I'm pretty sure what happens next...

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Interesting.

Somehow this piece still manages to argue the opposite position.

http://www.progressonline.org.uk/2015/07/15/progressives-must-retain-our-pro-eu-stance/

At this point though, this is wishful thinking at best. Though more likely it's pure self-delusion.

The left is seriously ill all over Europe, largely due to the fact that two generations of salon socialists with no knowledge of the real world have widened the gap with their base to where it now is an endless chasm.

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Three knicker to join the Labour Party. Boy, the Tories are massively expensive then.

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Erica Ambler wrote:

Well, the three quid I paid to join the Labour Party and vote for Jeremy Corbyn is turning out to be money well spent. Just a shame I didn't put a tenner on him when he was 200/1 as well.

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Lots of people, it turns out, want Jeremy Corbyn to become Labour’s next leader. In addition to Unite and several other unions, the general secretary of the Communist party of Britain, more than 60 constituency Labour parties and – according to a poll on Tuesday – 43% of Labour party members, he has other, more unexpected supporters.

“Yay! Just yay!” tweeted Douglas Carswell, the Ukip MP when news of Corbyn’s polling result broke, while rightwing commentators urged Conservatives to register as Labour supporters to get him elected, under the banner #ToriesforCorbyn.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jul/22/jeremy-corbyn-gathers-support-from-communist-party-ukip-and-tories

I must give him a vote myself if it means Labour being in the Wilderness for the rest of the century...

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Erica Ambler wrote:

Corbyn's a traditional class-based Socialist, a type I have a lot of respect for even if I don't necessarily agree with their views

I'd go even further and say that contemporary left-liberals (or SJWs as they're snappily named) give me the shits more-so than even genuine Marxist-Leninists. Perhaps it's because the former actually influence debate and policy in countries outside of North Korea, but perhaps it's also the fact that the Reds have some actual principles and philosophical framework for their beliefs, as opposed to a nihilistic division and subdivision of society into perpetually aggrieved parties who require the heavy hand of the State to both subsidise and silence.

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