No Time to Die (2020)

2hrs54?

Throw in half an hour of trailers, my bad back... booze is needed for sure.

I'll not exactly be displeased if this turns out to be only a rumour.

Mr. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang wrote:

No Time to Die's runtime is apparently 2 hours 54 minutes.

Christ. Quantum of Solace just keeps getting better.

I can't stare at a screen that long, unless it's porn or Zelda...you can really get lost in those water temples.

Sarai wrote:

Mr. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang wrote:

No Time to Die's runtime is apparently 2 hours 54 minutes.

Christ. Quantum of Solace just keeps getting better.

I can't stare at a screen that long, unless it's porn or Zelda...you can really get lost in those water temples.  

Any porno called Water Temples can't be all bad.

Mr. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang wrote:

No Time to Die's runtime is apparently 2 hours 54 minutes.

That's only three minutes shorter than the length of the first Godfather movie ... yikes.

If that's really going to be the length of it then I sure hope they have enough material to fill such a length of time and are not going to pad it out with Bond and Madeleine relationship drama nonsense.

Yeah, I'd be a bit worried bout that. Means there'll be a lot of fluff of the deep n' gritty variety.

A Bond story should be reasonably fast-paced and lean.

CJB wrote:

A Bond story should be reasonably fast-paced and lean.

Yes. But as we've seen, they took CR, one of Fleming's leanest and made it one of the longest. As you say, this allows more room for the deep n gritty fluff now.

S&Q wrote:

That's only three minutes shorter than the length of the first Godfather movie ... yikes.

If that's really going to be the length of it then I sure hope they have enough material to fill such a length of time and are not going to pad it out with Bond and Madeleine relationship drama nonsense.

Doubtful it's going to be as stimulating and satisfying as Godfather and its necessary runtime. It's definitely going to be about Bond and Madeleine and the implications of this 'secret' this secret agent didn't think to uncover before he left the service. Fucking twit he is.

"Look how they massacred my franchise!" - Cubby, probably

Cubby surely has rotated so much in his grave, he's powered through to China.

Mr. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang wrote:

CJB wrote:

A Bond story should be reasonably fast-paced and lean.

Yes. But as we've seen, they took CR, one of Fleming's leanest and made it one of the longest. As you say, this allows more room for the deep n gritty fluff now.

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Makes me wonder, imagine if they had done something like Risico or their own version of OHMSS -I mean 4hrs 40 with the first 1h20 set in deepest darkest Mongolia as Bond races away, somehow meets Tracy, off to the Swiss Alps, they marry and then after she's blown away, the last hour or so is Bond trying to escape from a falling building.

Hilly wrote:

Cubby surely has rotated so much in his grave, he's powered through to China.

Mr. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang wrote:

CJB wrote:

A Bond story should be reasonably fast-paced and lean.

Yes. But as we've seen, they took CR, one of Fleming's leanest and made it one of the longest. As you say, this allows more room for the deep n gritty fluff now.

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Makes me wonder, imagine if they had done something like Risico or their own version of OHMSS -I mean 4hrs 40 with the first 1h20 set in deepest darkest Mongolia as Bond races away, somehow meets Tracy, off to the Swiss Alps, they marry and then after she's blown away, the last hour or so is Bond trying to escape from a falling building.

You're forgetting that Bond must go rogue and Judi Dench should pop up every 30 minutes to talk about trust.

Supposedly Eon considered shutting down Bond 25 when Boyle left.

Why didn't they?

That would've been a shame...

New snaps:

Looks riveting.

An hour on here away from the world that doesn't understand the series was going south years ago keeps me sane.

Suspenders. WTF is that whole outfit combo? Farmer tourist man?

hegottheboot wrote:

An hour on here away from the world that doesn't understand the series was going south years ago keeps me sane.

Suspenders. WTF is that whole outfit combo? Farmer tourist man?

Heh. Yeah, those are about as Bondian as a Groucho Marks nose and mustache and a beanie with a propeller on top.

hegottheboot wrote:

An hour on here away from the world that doesn't understand the series was going south years ago keeps me sane.

It's our job to educate the rest, HGTB!

https://007store.com/products/notimetodie-vip-tickets

Erm ... OK.

They're really tapping into the market with those postcards.

Mr. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang wrote:

No Time to Die's runtime is apparently 2 hours 54 minutes.

Supposedly pages were being added to the script during the shoot and it could turn out to be even longer than 3 hours.

https://hmssweblog.wordpress.com/2020/02/01/no-time-to-die-to-run-about-3-hours-mail-says/?fbclid=IwAR1pTSw3wdGAwsF9rlGtYbB-LFk3mBRUr1qAGQsynr9TaLZA_r6_HmYOCF0

So script troubles continued into the shoot. Hope this ticks boxes for Craig so that he can end on that high and won't feel compelled to return to tie up loose ends from NTTD. But with a run time like that, you would hope every facet of his story will be finished.

I'd much rather see TWINE's full 4 hour cut.

TWINE...four hours?

Ahh actually I think I confused two movies. Thunderball had 400 minutes (not 4 hours) of footage and the TWINE original cut was 160 minutes.

Serves me right for rushing a post on the way out.

Well, yes...ha. I remember TB had loads of stuff trimmed, by Hunt, and it makes you wonder. Rather that, than nearly 3hrs of NTTD.

Hilly wrote:

Rather that, than nearly 3hrs of NTTD.

Truer words never spoken.

NTTD at 154 is already WAY too long as the goal is to get a Bond film to two hours or under to do it justice and maintain swift pacing. With current trends for action films and soulless superhero tentpoles it is now seen as not only allowable but par for the course to hit a 2.5 hour runtime for no reason other than sloppiness in plotting, writing, direction and editing. It used to be that theater owners couldn't get in as many showtimes and thus everyone made less money so you had to be 2 hours and less.

CR06 hitting the OHMSS runtime and slightly exceeding it was nuts and the overlength is one of the biggest downfalls of the film. OHMSS is a reel or two longer because the story is more intimate and the goal was to tell Fleming properly in a more realistic manner. The 144 min runtime doesn't go too far and never overstays its welcome because every scene is essential and perfectly told so that it doesn't go on for little to no reason as the modern films do. Plus by the late 60's there was a shift that allowed for films to become more expressive and longer if necessary due to studios losing grip and the counterculture expanding.

The near 3 hour NTTD is obviously a tabloid mention of either the rough workprint or the full assembly which is supped to run long. An assembly merely puts every scene in order without any edits so they run hours and hours and are painful to sit through. That's likely what the 4 hour TWINE is and of course the legendary 4+ hour TB that Peter Hunt had to cut solo under immense pressure forcing UA to push the release date to Xmas 1965 to at least give him just long enough to finish.

TND for example has a number of cut bits removed for pacing or being unsatisfactory-plus it was directed by the former editor of Peckinpah so it is cut on a literal dime and perfectly edited to clock in right at 1 hour 57 min which helps to hide all the scripting problems and production difficulties.

On the other hand TWINE had removed sequences and of course the well known PTS shift but is also a more somber affair with slower pacing. With it already being longer and more languid in how it moves I'd guess it's original post-assembly first cut was probably in the neighborhood of 2 hrs 20min