WINDFALL at the Box Office

Jack Wade wrote:

It's not pointless. It's simply using those films as reference levels. Bond doesn't have nearly the same kind of popularity in the States right now that the bigger comic book properties have.

And there are plenty of films out there that don't have the same popularity as SKYFALL has. THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN will not make as much money as SKYFALL. Same with THE HUNGER GAMES.

There are no end to the amount of film franchises out there that would love to have SKYFALL's problem of only grossing $850 million dollars.

If you compare your box office to THE DARK KNIGHT RISES and THE AVENGERS, no one would ever measure up. Adult action and drama films aren't going to make quite as much money as fantasy, sci-fi/space-adventure, and *some* comic book properties. What should Bond do? Quit?

I remember a few people who, just a few weeks ago, swore SF would barely make more than QOS, and are now pissed off that SF probably won't hit the $1 billion dollar mark. Yowsers! From nothing to everything and back to nothing is the way some people are looking at it.

You're missing the point. The point is that Bond is just not as popular in the States, where other franchises are currently more popular, as it is other places.

Jack Wade wrote:

You're missing the point. The point is that Bond is just not as popular in the States, where other franchises are currently more popular, as it is other places.

And you're trying to split the difference between being popular and being *the most* popular. What is this, high school? Count your blessings that Bond is still popular, relevant and successful enough to justify more movies, books, and video games.

Jack Wade wrote:

It's not pointless. It's simply using those films as reference levels. Bond doesn't have nearly the same kind of popularity in the States right now that the bigger comic book properties have.

There are only a few bigger comic book properties that are bigger than Bond. And surprisingly, nu-Spider-Man is not one of them.

In the States, Spidey might beat Bond by 20m or so (bear in mind it had 3D ticket prices), but Bond will win worldwide...here's what Spidey earned.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=spiderman4.htm

Bond will trump that $752m by at least a 10% margin.

I still own over 1200 Spidey comics...and growing...

Mrs Aural Sects wrote:

Jack Wade wrote:

It's not pointless. It's simply using those films as reference levels. Bond doesn't have nearly the same kind of popularity in the States right now that the bigger comic book properties have.

There are only a few bigger comic book properties that are bigger than Bond. And surprisingly, nu-Spider-Man is not one of them.

This is what Spidey grossed worldwide...

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=spiderman4.htm

Bond will trump that $752m by at least a 10% margin.

I still own over 1200 Spidey comics...and growing...

Yes, I mentioned that earlier. But Spider-Man isn't the only one who isn't "as popular" as 007. X-Men series hasn't made as much money as Bond. SUPERMAN RETURNS didn't make as much money as DAD, CR, or even QOS, and THE MAN OF STEEL is unlikely to make as much money as SKYFALL. THOR, GREEN LANTERN, CAPTAIN AMERICA, and WOLVERINE did respectable business, but won't make the same grosses as 007. Even as big as IRON MAN was it still didn't make more money than QOS or SKYFALL.

It took bringing all those Marvel properties into one film in order to make THE AVENGERS the huge hit that it was (though I thought the film was slightly over-rated). Nolan's BATMAN BEGINS spawned two successful sequels, but it only made 2/3rds at the box office what CR and QOS did. Obviously TDK and TDKR made a boat-load of money, but maybe if EON would hire a Nolan-type director who is committed to telling a character arc across three movies, or so, the returns would be even bigger, because you'd have at least one creative, long-term vision. Not suggesting that the director should overstay his welcome like John Glen did, but maybe signing Mendes to a two-picture Bond deal to cap off the Craig era wouldn't be such a bad thing.

Gravity's Silhouette wrote:

Comparing SKYFALL to THE AVENGERS or DARK KNIGHT RISES, or even STAR WARS, AVATAR, or LORD OF THE RINGS, is pointless in my opinion. Bond, as fantastical as he can be at times, operates under a different set of film guidelines. Bond cannot go some places that those other series can. It's also not realistic to expect that a film series that is 50 years and 23 films old is going to be able to sustain the kind of mania that it had back in 1964 and 1965.

Thing is, though, Grav, Bondmania is still going strong in Britain. Over here, nothing is bigger than Bond. To us Brits, Bond is TWILIGHT, or THE AVENGERS, or THE DARK KNIGHT, or HARRY POTTER, or anything else that anyone cares to name. The British box office results for SKYFALL prove as much. Never, ever have I been unable to get into a screening for a film, any film, but it so popular was SKYFALL in its first week that performances were selling out all over the place. Bond is still the daddy. Over here, it's still 1965.

Not in the States, though, sadly.

Loomis wrote:

Thing is, though, Grav, Bondmania is still going strong in Britain. Over here, nothing is bigger than Bond. To us Brits, Bond is TWILIGHT, or THE AVENGERS, or THE DARK KNIGHT, or HARRY POTTER, or anything else that anyone cares to name. The British box office results for SKYFALL prove as much. Never, ever have I been unable to get into a screening for a film, any film, but it so popular was SKYFALL in its first week that performances were selling out all over the place. Bond is still the daddy. Over here, it's still 1965.

Not in the States, though, sadly.

Okay, but why would Bond be "the daddy" in the United States when he's not an American product (technically)? The U.S. will probably represent 20-27% of the box office total for SKYFALL, and yet Americans on this board are being made to feel like we haven't done our part to keep the box office strong. What box office figure would make you Brits happy? If I didn't know the box office results already, just from reading this thread I would swear SKYFALL was a total failure and didn't earn one penny/shilling.

If you want AVENGERS sized box office, make an ensemble film: adapt ICEBREAKER or 007-LEGENDS. Throw as many characters from the past into the film; update it with major actors and actresses from the most lucrative film markets on the planet: Britian, America, China, France, and Germany. Or maybe make a Bond/Bourne/Bauer film, as all three agents have to work together to stop the world from plunging into World War 4.

Gravity's Silhouette wrote:

Jack Wade wrote:

You're missing the point. The point is that Bond is just not as popular in the States, where other franchises are currently more popular, as it is other places.

And you're trying to split the difference between being popular and being *the most* popular. What is this, high school? Count your blessings that Bond is still popular, relevant and successful enough to justify more movies, books, and video games.

Still missing the point. I'm saying Bond isn't as big in the States as it is elsewhere. I'm not adding any kind of value judgment to that. Just stating facts.

Gravity's Silhouette wrote:

Okay, but why would Bond be "the daddy" in the United States when he's not an American product (technically)?

But HARRY POTTER and LORD OF THE RINGS are "the daddy" at the American box office.

Gravity's Silhouette wrote:

and yet Americans on this board are being made to feel like we haven't done our part to keep the box office strong.

Are you? Who's having a go at Americans here for not doing their part? I'm certainly not, and I apologise if my posts come across as attacks - they're definitely not intended as such. I'm merely curious as to why Bond seems to underperform in the States relative to its success in Britain, yet similarly "British" franchise fare (POTTER, LOTR) appears to do sensational business on both sides of the Atlantic.

Loomis wrote:

Are you? Who's having a go at Americans here for not doing their part? I'm certainly not, and I apologise if my posts come across as attacks - they're definitely not intended as such. I'm merely curious as to why Bond seems to underperform in the States relative to its success in Britain, yet similarly "British" franchise fare (POTTER, LOTR) appears to do sensational business on both sides of the Atlantic.

Under-perform in relation to what? As I've stated earlier, comparing an adult action-drama to a sci-fi, fantasy, or comic book movie is like comparing apples to oranges, regardless of whether the cast and crew is British or American. If you are always comparing Bond to Harry Pooter, or Lord of the Rings, then yes, Bond will always look as if it is "under performing" because it isn't going to make 1.3 billion worldwide.

My suggestion is to compare Bond to other films in the spy or action genre: Bourne, Mission:Impossible....SKYFALL is going to beat Ghost Protocol like a red-headed step-child at the box office, and Bourne doesn't even come close to Bond's grosses (which makes their decision rip Bourne off in CR and QOS all the more ironic).

You are comparing the size of your.....box office to another film's box office and fretting that it's not big enough. I don't see how a film that is on track to gross $225 million at the American box office is somehow "under performing". Ghost Protocol earned $209 in America. last year. FAST FIVE (an action film, but not a spy film) earned the same. If SKYFALL earns what I believe it will end up earning, it will have earned the same amount THE BOURNE ULTIMATUM earned in America. I mean, SKYFALL has already blown past THE BOURNE ULTIMATUM's total box office take. What am I missing here? How is SKYFALL not performing well? It's performing better than SONY had expected.

In fact, by the close of business Monday, SKYFALL will have made in 11 days what it took QOS 77 days to earn. Please edumicate me as to how this is a bad thing?

Gravity's Silhouette wrote:

Under-perform in relation to what?

In relation to its own box office in Britain.

Gravity's Silhouette wrote:

In fact, by the close of business Monday, SKYFALL will have made in 11 days what it took QOS 77 days to earn. Please edumicate me as to how this is a bad thing?

It isn't. I just wish that Bond was the daddy in the States to the same extent as it's the daddy in Britain. I'm not disputing that Bond is doing very well in your neck of the woods, Grav, but I wish that British Bondmania was being replicated everywhere else.

Why are we arguing about Bond's box office standing in the US? Because TWILIGHT will beat it? Whoop dee fucking doo, we all knew that was coming. Bond still held his own at the box office and didn't atrophy like QOS did. It's projecting out to be $40 million this weekend and should do the same over the 5 day Thanksgiving weekend, plus Monday and Tuesday. That puts Bond at $210 million in 3 weeks in the States. That places SKYFALL in the top 10 this year, where it should remain even after HOBBIT and TWILIGHT clean house. It also means SKYFALL has a direct path to being the most successful Bond film in the US since the Connery era. It might be the most successful Bond movie ever internationally. It will probably be the biggest 2D release overseas this year.

So stop whining. Bond is doing fine. Just because it isn't filled with screaming fangirls wanting Daniel Craig's cock doesn't mean that Bond is dead, dying, or even remotely wounded.

Tubes wrote:

Just because it isn't filled with screaming fangirls wanting Daniel Craig's cock doesn't mean that Bond is dead, dying, or even remotely wounded.

As someone who saw it in IMAX opening night, I can attest to it that there were a few.

The Brits are still flocking to the Odeon at Leicester Sq, Skyfall sold out yet again on Saturday night and this cinema alone accounts for over £1m of the UK's haul. I think it's a 1700 seater.

The only possible thing to really nitpick at is the fact that it fell 60 percent its second weekend over here.

Anywho, according to Deadline, Skyfall is on track for a $40.4 million second weekend domestically and studio execs say they see it finishing at around $800 million worldwide.

http://www.deadline.com/2012/11/breaking-dawn-part-2-sells-out-showtimes-as-final-twilight-saga-releases-at-midnight/

Jack Wade wrote:

The only possible thing to really nitpick at is the fact that it fell 60 percent its second weekend over here.

Anywho, according to Deadline, Skyfall is on track for a $40.4 million second weekend domestically and studio execs say they see it finishing at around $800 million worldwide.

http://www.deadline.com/2012/11/breaking-dawn-part-2-sells-out-showtimes-as-final-twilight-saga-releases-at-midnight/

Buried in your lead was the most important piece of information:

In 2nd place, Eon Productions/MGM/Sony Pictures’ James Bond #23 actioner Skyfall looks down 52% from its big opening a week ago for a $42M second weekend. It took a bigger hit (-60%) on Friday than the studios anticipated but bounced back Saturday to bring its North American cume to about $162M in just its first 10 days of release.

So, dropping 50% is better than dropping 60%. Doesn't change the trajectory that much, but at least the studio can breathe a little easier.

Finke's numbers over the past few months have been up and down. The companies that track the box office information and then relay it to her have had trouble forecasting receipts because, I suppose, some of the models they've used in the past to anticipate earnings are no longer holding up as well as they used to. I mean, their original numbers were $31 million for the weekend, then it got revised upward to $42.3 million. That's a fairly significant error.

Gravity's Silhouette wrote:

Jack Wade wrote:

The only possible thing to really nitpick at is the fact that it fell 60 percent its second weekend over here.

Anywho, according to Deadline, Skyfall is on track for a $40.4 million second weekend domestically and studio execs say they see it finishing at around $800 million worldwide.

http://www.deadline.com/2012/11/breaking-dawn-part-2-sells-out-showtimes-as-final-twilight-saga-releases-at-midnight/

Buried in your lead was the most important piece of information:

In 2nd place, Eon Productions/MGM/Sony Pictures’ James Bond #23 actioner Skyfall looks down 52% from its big opening a week ago for a $42M second weekend. It took a bigger hit (-60%) on Friday than the studios anticipated but bounced back Saturday to bring its North American cume to about $162M in just its first 10 days of release.

So, dropping 50% is better than dropping 60%. Doesn't change the trajectory that much, but at least the studio can breathe a little easier.

The story was updated after I posted it.

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Finke's numbers over the past few months have been up and down. The companies that track the box office information and then relay it to her have had trouble forecasting receipts because, I suppose, some of the models they've used in the past to anticipate earnings are no longer holding up as well as they used to. I mean, their original numbers were $31 million for the weekend, then it got revised upward to $42.3 million. That's a fairly significant error.

Alas, predicting box office is just like predicting just about everything else.

The Saturday bounce was better than I anticipated...17m+...for a weekend BO of 41.5m. By comparison, Solace earned $26m. International figures take it up to 669m....record achieved.

After Sunday's figures are added, Skyfall will be almost 50% ahead of Solace after the second weekend. It should be upwards of 200m this time next week. Once it passes MI4, it will have the spy record. No point comparing it to comic films, keep it to spy franchises. 8)

Prediction: By Nov 25, it will be 750m worldwide...includes opening in Australia and NZ.

SF should clean up in the States come Thursday thru Sunday. Thanksgiving, dontchaknow, and movie-going is as almost as traditional as bird and dressing for many Yanks.

Yeah. I imagine Skyfall will do pretty will next weekend, what with Twilight likely atrophying and all. Not exactly a flick you can take the whole family to, but it should still do pretty well regardless.

Pretty cool to see that SF became the highest grossing (unadjusted) Bond film after only three weeks.

It's still really high even when you adjust it

Second Weekend: $41,104,513

Domestic Box Office:

1. THUNDERBALL: $467,189,850
2. GOLDFINGER: $381,306,950
3. YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE: $298,506,630
4. DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER: $250,374,070
5. MOONRAKER: $224,101,740
6. DIE ANOTHER DAY: $207,021,330
7. CASINO ROYALE '06: $192,203,210
8. FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE: $185,101,450
9. LIVE AND LET DIE: $184,384,660
10. QUANTUM OF SOLACE: $180,961,870
11. TOMORROW NEVER DIES: 180,662,220
12. THE SPY WHO LOVED ME: $178,858,030
13. THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH: $176,324,470
14. CASINO ROYALE '67: $173,208,830
15. GOLDENEYE: $161,605,210
16. SKYFALL: $160,941,621
17. OCTOPUSSY: $157,741,550
18. ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE: $143,601,560
19. FOR YOUR EYES ONLY: $139,538,680
20. NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN: $131,037,700
21. DR. NO: $121,504,060
22. A VIEW TO A KILL: $108,236,450
23. THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS: $104,267,380
24. THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN: $98,439,510
25. LICENCE TO KILL: $64,695,080



International Box Office:

1. LIVE AND LET DIE: $658,895,800
2. THUNDERBALL: $570,101,210
3. GOLDFINGER: $551,039,320
4. THE SPY WHO LOVED ME: $536,365,260
5. SKYFALL:$507,900,000
6. CASINO ROYALE '06: $489,895,400
7. YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE: $474,697,600
8. QUANTUM OF SOLACE: $447,966,630
9. MOONRAKER: $446,213,580
10. DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER: $412,421,290
11. ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE: $407,487,590
12. FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE: $403,866,690
13. FOR YOUR EYES ONLY: $376,735,680
14. GOLDENEYE: $373,172,770
15. THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN: $359,680,640
16. DIE ANOTHER DAY: $348,627,030
17. DR. NO: $329,210,230
18. THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH: $326,259,860
19. TOMORROW NEVER DIES: $299,469,200
20. THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS: $285,213,420
21. OCTOPUSSY: $277,889,100
22. NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN: $240,700,450
23. A VIEW TO A KILL: $231,131,810
24. LICENCE TO KILL: $226,803,090
25. CASINO ROYALE '67: $134,410,060



Worldwide Box Office

1. THUNDERBALL: $1,037,291,060
2. GOLDFINGER: $932,246,270
3. LIVE AND LET DIE: $843,280,460
4. YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE: $773,204,230
5. THE SPY WHO LOVED ME: $715,223,290
6. CASINO ROYALE '06: $682,098,610
7. MOONRAKER: $670,315,320
8. SKYFALL: $668,841,621
9. DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER: $663,795,360
10. QUANTUM OF SOLACE: $628,928,500
11. FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE: $588,968,140
12. DIE ANOTHER DAY: $555,648,360
13. ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE: $551,089,150
14. GOLDENEYE: $534,777,980
15. FOR YOUR EYES ONLY: $516,274,360
16. THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH: $502,584,330
17. TOMORROW NEVER DIES: $480,131,420
18. THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN: $458,120,150
19. DR. NO: $450,714,290
20. OCTOPUSSY: $435,630,650
21. THE LIVING DAYLIGHT: $389,480,800
22. NEVER SAT NEVER AGAIN: $371,738,150
23. A VIEW TO A KILL: $339,368,260
24. CASINO ROYALE '67: $307,618,890
25. LICENCE TO KILL: $291,498,170

SKYFALL has outgrossed the 80's in 2 weekends. It might outgross the 90's and the 00's in 3, which would place it just outside the top 5. Its already there internationally.

EDIT: Just did some quick math. Assuming that SKYFALL grows in countries like Australia, New Zealand, Japan, and China like it has in places SKYFALL has already been released, we're looking at another $150 million overseas without including the continuing grosses from everywhere else. This will make SKYFALL the most successful Bond film outside the United States. If it holds up as expected in the States, SKYFALL will reach $900 million.

China's deliberately delaying its release as a cheap ploy to market its own films...the downside to this is glaring, each passing day means more piracy. MI4 had an early release and picked up 100m in China...Skyfall is being delayed 2-3 months. :suspect:

Pre Thanksgiving Break:

Monday: $4,013,928
Tuesday: $5,639,795


Domestic Box Office:

1. THUNDERBALL: $467,189,850
2. GOLDFINGER: $381,306,950
3. YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE: $298,506,630
4. DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER: $250,374,070
5. MOONRAKER: $224,101,740
6. DIE ANOTHER DAY: $207,021,330
7. CASINO ROYALE '06: $192,203,210
8. FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE: $185,101,450
9. LIVE AND LET DIE: $184,384,660
10. QUANTUM OF SOLACE: $180,961,870
11. TOMORROW NEVER DIES: 180,662,220
12. THE SPY WHO LOVED ME: $178,858,030
13. THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH: $176,324,470
14. CASINO ROYALE '67: $173,208,830
15. SKYFALL: $170,595,344
16. GOLDENEYE: $161,605,210
17. OCTOPUSSY: $157,741,550
18. ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE: $143,601,560
19. FOR YOUR EYES ONLY: $139,538,680
20. NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN: $131,037,700
21. DR. NO: $121,504,060
22. A VIEW TO A KILL: $108,236,450
23. THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS: $104,267,380
24. THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN: $98,439,510
25. LICENCE TO KILL: $64,695,080



International Box Office:

1. LIVE AND LET DIE: $658,895,800
2. THUNDERBALL: $570,101,210
3. GOLDFINGER: $551,039,320
4. THE SPY WHO LOVED ME: $536,365,260
5. SKYFALL:$507,900,000
6. CASINO ROYALE '06: $489,895,400
7. YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE: $474,697,600
8. QUANTUM OF SOLACE: $447,966,630
9. MOONRAKER: $446,213,580
10. DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER: $412,421,290
11. ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE: $407,487,590
12. FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE: $403,866,690
13. FOR YOUR EYES ONLY: $376,735,680
14. GOLDENEYE: $373,172,770
15. THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN: $359,680,640
16. DIE ANOTHER DAY: $348,627,030
17. DR. NO: $329,210,230
18. THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH: $326,259,860
19. TOMORROW NEVER DIES: $299,469,200
20. THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS: $285,213,420
21. OCTOPUSSY: $277,889,100
22. NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN: $240,700,450
23. A VIEW TO A KILL: $231,131,810
24. LICENCE TO KILL: $226,803,090
25. CASINO ROYALE '67: $134,410,060



Worldwide Box Office

1. THUNDERBALL: $1,037,291,060
2. GOLDFINGER: $932,246,270
3. LIVE AND LET DIE: $843,280,460
4. YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE: $773,204,230
5. THE SPY WHO LOVED ME: $715,223,290
6. CASINO ROYALE '06: $682,098,610
7. SKYFALL:$678,495,344
8. MOONRAKER: $670,315,320
9. DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER: $663,795,360
10. QUANTUM OF SOLACE: $628,928,500
11. FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE: $588,968,140
12. DIE ANOTHER DAY: $555,648,360
13. ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE: $551,089,150
14. GOLDENEYE: $534,777,980
15. FOR YOUR EYES ONLY: $516,274,360
16. THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH: $502,584,330
17. TOMORROW NEVER DIES: $480,131,420
18. THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN: $458,120,150
19. DR. NO: $450,714,290
20. OCTOPUSSY: $435,630,650
21. THE LIVING DAYLIGHT: $389,480,800
22. NEVER SAT NEVER AGAIN: $371,738,150
23. A VIEW TO A KILL: $339,368,260
24. CASINO ROYALE '67: $307,618,890
25. LICENCE TO KILL: $291,498,170

SKYFALL is now the highest grossing Bond film unadjusted. Thus continuing the 17 year streak of outgrossing the previous film.

North American earnings could be at $220 million after American thanksgiving. A few weeks until a Christmas boost and Skyfall can readily top $300, putting it in the top 3 adjusted. And internationally, this will easily be the most successful Bond film ever, also adjusted. Very impressive, 007!