Bond 25 (2019)

Well we have already seen 'The Dark Knight' plundered twice in a row, tbh I think if Nolan was attached he'd genuinely want to do something different - He doesn't get much love here but imo he there is a beautiful balance between drama and action in his movies that the Bond's haven't enjoyed for some considerable time. Nevertheless I sincerely doubt he would be given the type of freedom he would want to get involved.....

Much like the casting of Bond himself I would like someone hungry to make the role/film theirs rather than a well known artist who really doesn't need it. The Millstone remains the current set up of EON and the agenda/pretention of those at the top motivations which are the antithesis of Bond imho.

But Nolan is also the antithesis of Bond. Sterile colour palettes, clinical photography, no sense of joie de vivre, sex and humour whatsoever.

I imagine if Nolan helmed a Bond film, we'd get something akin to what we already have in the Craig era. Indulgent and spiritless, and with a generic Hans Zimmer score to boot.

I'm with Fields.

I imagine a Nolan Bond starring Grumble McPruneface would be dull and pretentious to the extreme.

Just off the top of my head, there's humour in Bruce Wayne's exchanges between both Alfred and Lucius Fox in the Bat-flicks. Also pretty sure he has sexytimes in front of a roaring fire in the third movie.

Sexy times is one thing (though one time in a string of films isn't exactly promising - though it should be said I haven't seen some of his films for a while), but sex and seduction dripping through the music and photography is another.

It is odd as I see a playful homage to Bond in all of Nolan's movies the pretension is more a product of the internet nerdy fan-base than the film-maker himself imo. Without the precedent of Craig's tennure I am confident his Bond would never have been as self absorbed and pretentious as what has been presented and certainly far less 'Bond Hurt Bond-smash'.... With Batman Nolan was simply playing to the core origin something far less personalised for Bond - at least as it stood prior to 2006's journey up its own back passage!

Nolan is as much to blame as Jason Bourne, though it still falls on Eon's shoulders. Babs and co. shouldn't pander to other franchises. It didn't serve them well in the 70s, with TSWLM being the only critically acclaimed film in that era, and the only film to be James Bond through and through (blaxploitation, kung fu, Star Wars having affected the others).

I don't mind Nolan.

At this point, I wish the producers would just get on with it with someone new. Craig is dicking around. One thing about having the part is also being an ambassador for the role and Craig has failed miserably over the past 2 years, hemming and hawing, don't call me I'll call you attitude. I used to support him but now I couldn't be arsed.

bitchcraft wrote:

At this point, I wish the producers would just get on with it with someone new.  

As do I. Considering Purvis and Wade have only recently been commissioned to write a treatment, I doubt we'd get a Bond film until 2019. I imagine that would be written and rewritten and finalised before the script is even attempted. So I'm not entirely sure it lies with Craig at this point. Of course, he could still say whether he wants to do another one - the fact he hasn't doesn't reassure me.

Given Babs unyielding love for him, I did toy around with the idea that this is her way of letting him go easily, unlike how she (mis)handled Brosnan's dismissal. Knowing full well he is getting on, with mixed reviews for both SPECTRE and Craig's performance, she could perhaps be putting off Bond 25 indefinitely until he is too old, whereby he could walk away voluntarily (which is the most likely scenario), or explain to him it's probably best to get someone younger. But it's all speculative.

bitchcraft wrote:

Craig is dicking around. One thing about having the part is also being an ambassador for the role and Craig has failed miserably over the past 2 years, hemming and hawing, don't call me I'll call you attitude. I used to support him but now I couldn't be arsed.

Is it affecting how you view Craig's films now (including CR, QOS and SF)?

Tom Hardy just booked Venom in the new Spiderman spin off. Surely this means he's out of the running for Bond (if he was ever in it).

More than likely. Although one COULD read his recent real-life heroics in helping to apprehend a thief as a sort-of pitch for Bond, hehehe.

Touché...

Back to square one.

FieldsMan wrote:

Is it affecting how you view Craig's films now (including CR, QOS and SF)?

Yes. Back in 2005 Craig was getting the shit end of the stick and put a lot of effort into pushing that huge boulder uphill - which he did. Back then, he had my respect.

But after he made that idiotic 'slash wrists' and 'for the money' comment, he lost that and has done nothing to get it back. Fucking dilly-dally rubbish is annoying. Not an actor who treats this role with the respect it deserves. He can take the millions he has already earned and go wipe his fucking arse.

Let's move on. It helps that SPECTRE was a crock of shit and I don't necessarily look forward to anything reminding me of it.

Guess I'm a little late to the Harry Styles bandwagon...finally broke down and watched him perform Sign of The Times after reading so much about it ...WOW! It's really good. Who knew?

*IF* he could write and sing a song like that for BOND25 I wouldn't be opposed to him, though first preference is still MUSE and/or ONE REPUBLIC.

bitchcraft wrote:

Let's move on. It helps that SPECTRE was a crock of shit and I don't necessarily look forward to anything reminding me of it.

Agreed 100%

Though CR is also a crock of shit, and it doesn't help that a lot of fans regard it as the best thing since sliced bread.

Gravity's Silhouette wrote:

Guess I'm a little late to the Harry Styles bandwagon...finally broke down and watched him perform Sign of The Times after reading so much about it ...WOW! It's really good. Who knew?

*IF* he could write and sing a song like that for BOND25 I wouldn't be opposed to him, though first preference is still MUSE and/or ONE REPUBLIC.

I still don't know which of the One Direction boys is Harry, but I don't know if he would be a good fit (though only knowing their group music). If we're going to go with a contemporary male artist, I wouldn't mind Adam Lambert. I believe he'd deliver a modern A View to a Kill or The Living Daylights, especially if he collaborates with David Arnold.

Biebs is a banger machine these days. Sign him up.

The way the series is going, I wouldn't be surprised if Bieber sings a theme song.

Probably reach higher notes than Sam Smith, too.

FieldsMan wrote:

I still don't know which of the One Direction boys is Harry, but I don't know if he would be a good fit (though only knowing their group music). If we're going to go with a contemporary male artist, I wouldn't mind Adam Lambert. I believe he'd deliver a modern A View to a Kill or The Living Daylights, especially if he collaborates with David Arnold.

Should have included Hozier on my list.

Look, I've never heard a One Direction song in all my life. There was nothing I ever watched that they would have been on to either sing a song or promote an album. I don't watch late-night television nor morning television. Don't watch MTV or E! Don't listen to FM radio. I'm basically an undesirable. I'm getting close to the age where advertisers don't want anything to do with me, and because I don't Twitter, Facebook, MySpace, FourSquare, Instagram, Pinterest, Vine or YouTube anything, there's almost zero chance I"m going to be reached by advertisers and influenced into hearing a song or seeing a movie. What was my point?

Oh yeah. I'm able to honestly evaluate the song by Harry Styles and give credit where credit is due. It's good. First thoughts that came to my mind when I heard it were John Lennon and Elton John. In Bond terms, it reminds me a little of LALD, Nobody Does It Better, or Skyfall....you know, with the piano intro and then the up tempo. When I listen to it I can picture spinning silhouettes shooting out of guns or doing gymnastics on guns ala the Moore years.

The song is long. 2 minutes long, really. But if SIGN OF THE TIMES had been the theme song to SPECTRE I would have been happy (Writing's on the Wall was crap).

It's one song; a legend he is not.

But he is old enough to be considered for BOND 25. He's transitioned from teen-pop to a very mature sound. Sheena Easton and most of Duran Duran were in their early 20's, weren't they? I think A-ha were in their mid 20's.

Just listened to it... I had heard it before - just didn't know it was him singing. It's not bad. Not sure if it sounds particularly Bondian as a song, but you're right in that it does evoke a Beatles sound. I can't visualise dancing silhouettes, but that's perhaps because it needs Arnold's touch. I wouldn't be totally opposed to Harry Styles singing a theme - and it's very possible that it will happen, given his starpower, nationality and the younger demographic CraigBond caters for.

I think the Paloma Faith and Duffy boats have sailed, unless they release number one worthy music in the next year or so.

I'd say in the case of Duffy's, not only has her ship sailed, it's sadly sunk.

I don't know a lot about Duffy, despite knowing she has a damn good voice for a Bond theme. A quick wiki search suggests she's moved toward acting, so I'm going to assume she won't touch a Bond theme unless she pulls a Madonna and appears in the film too.

FieldsMan wrote:

The way the series is going, I wouldn't be surprised if Bieber sings a theme song.

Probably reach higher notes than Sam Smith, too.

He would cuz I'd love to kick that little prick in his nuts.

bitchcraft wrote:

CJB wrote:

Ideally the next Bond would be Fassbender and the next director not-Mendes.

Ooooh, I like Mr Assbender.... He had some 'Bond' moments in his first X-Men movie.

I always loved this scene from "X-Men: First Class".

Salomé wrote:

bitchcraft wrote:

CJB wrote:

Ideally the next Bond would be Fassbender and the next director not-Mendes.

Ooooh, I like Mr Assbender.... He had some 'Bond' moments in his first X-Men movie.

I always loved this scene from "X-Men: First Class".

Awesome. I haven't seen X-Men yet, but that's practically his audition!

If Eon don't seriously consider Michael Fassbender to take over from Craig (hopefully for Bond 25), then they're missing a few marbles.

It only makes sense for them now to consider someone with Fassbender's talent, considering they've upped the talent pool for the supporting cast in SF and SP - Ralph Fiennes, Naomie Harris, Javier Bardem, Christoph Waltz, Lea Seydoux, Monica Bellucci, Dave Bautista all being established names before Bond (and all of whom outperformed Daniel as well). Not to say that some are necessarily better than the actors of yesteryear, but if they want to ensure bums on seats, Fassbender is one way to do it. Like Brosnan and Moore ensuring the success of Bond after their predecessors.

Hopefully, then, we might get Marion Cotillard as a Bond girl too, since they've worked with each other twice (I believe he personally suggested/asked her to do Macbeth).

At this point I'd pick Assbender over Craig anyday.