No Time to Die: SPOILERS

Sorry for the triple post. Just saw this:

I was just quoting Waltz himself from the interview in this article from your thread, FM -

https://bondandbeyond.forumotion.com/t3230-christoph-waltz-i-didn-t-nail-the-role

Oh I know. Just sharing my own opinion that Waltz himself wasn't the issue in my mind (actors always second guess themselves) which is what I said in the OP of the thread you linked. I think he did a decent job with the poor material he had to work with. Had it not been for Blofeld's new backstory I'd probably have placed him ahead of Le Chiffre and Greene in a Craig era villain ranking.

Mr. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang wrote:

T.A. Ferguson wrote:

Here's a cat with some interesting plot theories...

https://youtu.be/yzVHlR3lwQ0

Ha not sure I have it in me to watch. That guy is a fruit loop. He runs a few Facebook Bond groups but he hasn't got a good reputation... Mostly because he's abusive.

Eh, he's a bug alright and I couldn't watch him myself without wanting to crush his skull w/ a framing hammer, so I listened to him while I worked on a project.....I think he's got a very good theory on the plot and the pre-title sequence.....It is worth listening to.

Just as I thought....

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7244671/Thought-007-never-woman-black-shes-James-Bond-hand-number-over.html?fbclid=IwAR38FYpi78yrsLPpqzosp0nMXy8y20rJQPpcAvYnk-SpHYNgcHzXkK2xHWY

T.A. Ferguson wrote:

Mr. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang wrote:

T.A. Ferguson wrote:

Here's a cat with some interesting plot theories...

https://youtu.be/yzVHlR3lwQ0

Ha not sure I have it in me to watch. That guy is a fruit loop. He runs a few Facebook Bond groups but he hasn't got a good reputation... Mostly because he's abusive.

Eh, he's a bug alright and I couldn't watch him myself without wanting to crush his skull w/ a framing hammer, so I listened to him while I worked on a project.....I think he's got a very good theory on the plot and the pre-title sequence.....It is worth listening to.

Might have to give it a watch then. Might be a laugh.

TA wrote:

Just as I thought....

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7244671/Thought-007-never-woman-black-shes-James-Bond-hand-number-over.html?fbclid=IwAR38FYpi78yrsLPpqzosp0nMXy8y20rJQPpcAvYnk-SpHYNgcHzXkK2xHWY

I don't mind the 007 codename given to Lynch, but I'm not liking a lot of what I read in that article. Though the humour aspect is welcome, I'm not sure how that will converge with the story and tone started with Casino Royale that Cary wants to continue. Might be another tonally confused entry like SP was.

Also think it's a missed opportunity not casting Lynch as a Bunt-like villainess. Suppose women can't be villains these days.

Bond 25 questions: The SPOILER edition.

https://hmssweblog.wordpress.com/2019/07/13/bond-25-questions-the-spoiler-edition/

excerpt:
Is this trip really necessary? Not really. But it seems as if Eon Productions and its army of screenwriters is going to double down on one of the worst aspects of 2015’s SPECTRE — namely that Waltz’s Blofeld was Bond’s foster brother and has a personal reason to torment Bond.

Can't disagree with a lot of that, Solo. Bizarre to think that the one winning aspect of Spectre - Bautista's Hinx - is the character we might want to see back for Bond 25 (if they insist on following that story), and yet we have bloody Madeleine and Brofeld instead.

Will add that Fleming's CR and Eon's CR are very different aside from the basic plot points. In tone, character arc for Bond and characterisations of Bond, Vesper and Mathis particularly. Could add that to the article if you'd like.

Eh Madeline will be dead by the end of the PTS.

No doubt. Just enough to kick off another, 'this time it's personal' mission. Again. Fuck's sake.

Yes & no......In the PTS Madeline will be killed, sending Bond into seclusion in Jamaica for four years where the movie picks up after the title. First Bond is approached by Leiter(who most likely gets whacked in Jamaica), then 007. Bond returns and at some point in the plot 007 gets killed, with Bond regaining his LTK designation as 007.

Look for a quick turnaround for Bond 26, as EON is very keen to get started rather quickly....EON had all but decided on the actor to replace Craig even before filming of Bond 25 started....Wait & watch.

Yes but if there's the chance of Bond avenging Madeleine's death, even after 4 years, he'll do it.

TA Ferguson wrote:

Look for a quick turnaround for Bond 26, as EON is very keen to get started rather quickly....EON had all but decided on the actor to replace Craig even before filming of Bond 25 started....Wait & watch.

Hope so. But how do you know this?

Section 26, paragraph 5, need-to-know. I'm sure you understand.

T.A. Ferguson wrote:

Yes & no......In the PTS Madeline will be killed, sending Bond into seclusion in Jamaica for four years where the movie picks up after the title. First Bond is approached by Leiter(who most likely gets whacked in Jamaica), then 007. Bond returns and at some point in the plot 007 gets killed, with Bond regaining his LTK designation as 007.

Look for a quick turnaround for Bond 26, as EON is very keen to get started rather quickly....EON had all but decided on the actor to replace Craig even before filming of Bond 25 started....Wait & watch.

One problem I have with EON is that they seem to be making many of their creative decisions not with the fans in mind, but in an attempt to curry favor with activists, writers, politicians and generally a whole slew of people that probably weren't watching Bond with any regularity to begin with. How will these groups react if Lynch's character is killed off and Bond gets his 00 back at her expense? I wouldn't care, but would Barbara let that happen after having spent all this time trying to bring this franchise up to the approving standards of her critics?

Did Lea really come back on board just to be killed off in 10 minutes? Did PWB sign up for this knowing that these women would be killed or was she promised she'd have input into what happened to these actresses? Part of me really wants to believe that Cary and company couldn't possibly be this obvious, yet they constantly seem to be confirming my every worst instinct. You'd think after the massive disappointment of SPECTRE I'd lower my expectations, yet with as much third-party consulting as they had on SPECTRE they still went forward with all of the plot points that EON was told would be problematic for the story. At this point I'm giving EON more credit than they deserve.

GS wrote:

You'd think after the massive disappointment of SPECTRE I'd lower my expectations, yet with as much third-party consulting as they had on SPECTRE they still went forward with all of the plot points that EON was told would be problematic for the story. At this point I'm giving EON more credit than they deserve.

Boom! This is on point. Having read the emails there were one or two Sony executives (female too, mind) who highlighted the script problems but nothing was done about it. They fucked up, Craig has a chip on his shoulder because of it and is only back to prove to himself that his era will end on a high-- which following story arc started in CR won't produce. It's all ego stroking at this point so I hope T.A. is right and they get on with making Bond 26 ASAP.

GS wrote:

How will these groups react if Lynch's character is killed off and Bond gets his 00 back at her expense?

Hopefully in the same manner the characters were treated in Skyfall. Never send a woman to do a man's job encapsulates Dench's M's forced retirement and Mallory taking over, and the in-over-her-head black woman thinking she's cut out for field work, only to turn secretary-slave girl who shaves Bond.

On a serious note, there is no alternative for Lynch to killed off so James can "become Bond 007" again.

Easy fix for the innumerable problems:

Reedit the film so it it the impostor we've been stuck with for 13 years who is the "007" killed off and thus M is forced to go back to the original to lure him back out to assist MI6 in this time of crisis.
Bond refuses.
M is killed in destroying Bond's Carribean hideaway.

Brozzer is James Bond 007 in CASINO ROYALE based on the opening of the 1967 film. Then Brozzer can fight Blofeld across the globe. Done and Problem eliminated.

Wondering why '007' wasn't reallocated in Skyfall after they thought he was dead? They cleared out his flat and sold it, after all ...

Blunt Instrument wrote:

Wondering why '007' wasn't reallocated in Skyfall after they thought he was dead? They cleared out his flat and sold it, after all ...

I was wondering the same thing, unless there wasn't enough time to find a suitable replacement.....good help, hard to find sort of scenario...

Maybe they died in the explosion?

Oh good thought! Could it be perspective 00s in-training and perhaps a 00 themselves died in the explosion......The possibilities...

I think we're over thinking this. After all, we do come to watch James Bond 007 in a James Bond 007 film.

Mr. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang wrote:

I think we're over thinking this. After all, we do come to watch James Bond 007 in a James Bond 007 film.

You'd think so, but I see a lot of core fans starting to drink the Kool-Aid on this idea that Bond and 007 are interchangeable. My question: should they even have to be? Bond has always been 007. He's been marketed as such. Why do I sense that the franchise continues to contort itself and bend over backwards to placate people who aren't fans? There's such a thing as bringing in new fans, but I very highly doubt that any newly won young converts to the series are likely to stay lifetime fans. If the back catalogue of films and books hasn't interested them, the small 5 film sample of Craig's offerings is unlikely to make them Bond fans for the next 60 years.

The Millenials: They can have new-007. They can have a black female lesbian 007. A gay male 007. A transgender 007. I don't give a warm bucket of spit anymore. I gave up on this series after Skyfall (as evidenced by all of my posts where I stated I would not, and did not, pay to see SPECTRE) and I continue to stand by that decision. I had Bond at his best. At his peak. The new, woke generation of Bond fans can have these sloppy-sevenths. I no longer care. If not another film was ever made I could live on.

There was a time in my life when I never wanted to live in a world or a time where Bond didn't exist. But now I've grown up and moved on. I can't fight any longer for a series where the producers won't fight equally hard to stay true to the roots and to the fans. Cucked Michael Wilson and Elektra Broccoli and Daniel Crag have dragged this series down into the dumpster. Even getting rid of Crag won't help matters if Elektra is still in charge of EON. Her father would be ashamed of her if he were still alive. She's disgraced the family name and the legacy.

Peace out.

Gravity's Silhouette wrote:

Her father would be ashamed of her if he were still alive. She's disgraced the family name and the legacy.

You don't really know that for sure, but whatever.

Gravity's Silhouette wrote:

Mr. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang wrote:

I think we're over thinking this. After all, we do come to watch James Bond 007 in a James Bond 007 film.

You'd think so, but I see a lot of core fans starting to drink the Kool-Aid on this idea that Bond and 007 are interchangeable. My question: should they even have to be? Bond has always been 007. He's been marketed as such. Why do I sense that the franchise continues to contort itself and bend over backwards to placate people who aren't fans? There's such a thing as bringing in new fans, but I very highly doubt that any newly won young converts to the series are likely to stay lifetime fans. If the back catalogue of films and books hasn't interested them, the small 5 film sample of Craig's offerings is unlikely to make them Bond fans for the next 60 years.

The Millenials: They can have new-007. They can have a black female lesbian 007. A gay male 007. A transgender 007. I don't give a warm bucket of spit anymore. I gave up on this series after Skyfall (as evidenced by all of my posts where I stated I would not, and did not, pay to see SPECTRE) and I continue to stand by that decision. I had Bond at his best. At his peak. The new, woke generation of Bond fans can have these sloppy-sevenths. I no longer care. If not another film was ever made I could live on.

There was a time in my life when I never wanted to live in a world or a time where Bond didn't exist. But now I've grown up and moved on. I can't fight any longer for a series where the producers won't fight equally hard to stay true to the roots and to the fans. Cucked Michael Wilson and Elektra Broccoli and Daniel Crag have dragged this series down into the dumpster. Even getting rid of Crag won't help matters if Elektra is still in charge of EON. Her father would be ashamed of her if he were still alive. She's disgraced the family name and the legacy.

Peace out.

There's a lot of truth in what yo say, but I hope this isn't a goodbye post, Grav. I mean, there are all the other Bond films/books you can discuss... and beyond.

Mr. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang wrote:

There's a lot of truth in what yo say, but I hope this isn't a goodbye post, Grav. I mean, there are all the other Bond films/books you can discuss... and beyond.

No, not a goodbye post. Just a vent. I fully intend to bear witness to Bond 25's epic failure. Weird and sad that I find myself rooting for the film's failure, but that may be my only option. Series needs to be burned to the ground and completely retooled, starting with Tits McBroccoli selling her share and moving on to something else. No half-measures. I want the rebuking, the spanking, that is about to be administered to this movie to be so thorough and absolute that there can be no mistaking that the audience has spoken with cold and craven indifference.

I propose the end...the domination...of EON, leaving us in the control of the series. My friend May Day will provide Barbara with a drink while she waits outside